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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 23 Oct 2017, 15:08

Yep: slow regard... was a mistake. Just something to tie the fans over, I guess.
Abercrombie: there is a constant threat / potential for stuff going wrong, so you'll find no issues there, I expect. That being said, the chars that can be defined as the heroes of the tale, have to (and actually will) make it to the end of the book in 99% of the occasions :-)
Will definitely check out Eddings, thx.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Windavell » 23 Oct 2017, 15:13

dont get me wrong. Lead characters should make it to the end of the book but they should also have set backs, loss, issues etc. Some of the books mentioned have characters who just turn up, do stuff, leave victorious onto the next win. Thats the stuff I dont like.
The Prince of Thorns character (Forget his name) is a loner that leads people so while his people might die he couldnt care less so long as he wins, and he always does so you never really feel for him or worry he wont make it etc Its a good set of books, aside from that, and I do recommend them but it was the thing that let me down in this set. There needs to be that sense of danger, or loss, otherwise its just boring, theres no suspense.

The Edding set have all that and more. Some people might find it slow to stay but theres over 10 books in all and around 7 main characters so you need to knwo about them early on, builds the base for the rest.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 23 Oct 2017, 16:52

Lol: don't think I am getting you wrong. And what's more: I whole-heartedly agree :-)
Personally, I tend to be drawn to the internally-conflicted heroes, whose souls are soaked with the blood of their battling inner demons and overgrown with the rotting roots of failure (don't worry: I obviously will not be writing my own books anytime soon, heheh).
I also appreciate storylines and hero profiles where there's still lots of room to fill in the blanks.
And finally: what is more heroic than júst pulling through while facing seemingly insurmountable odds and at significant cost?
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Re: Book Club

Postby Windavell » 01 Nov 2017, 17:12

Joe Abercrombie
... is my favorite so far (second only, ofc, to JRR Tolkien). Setting is mostly a lot of (fighting) action by cool characters in a pretty brutal fictional world that is not heavily leaning on magic, etc. Start with the First Law trilogy!

Have just started reading The First Law trilogy, about half way into the first book, and its great. Got all the stuff Im after in a (non picture) book, although could do with a little bit more magic than I've seen so far.

I did start reading The Black Company trilogy by someone whose name I forget. Got fed up with it quite early on as the author likes to use comparisons in every damn sentence. Shame as it has about 9 books and would of kept me going for ages but it was just too much hard work just to find out if it was sunny outside or what someone was wearing.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Windavell » 27 Nov 2017, 14:18

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Im half way through book 3 of Joe Abercrombie's The First Law set, which should I go for after that? They have been a very enjoyable read so far.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 27 Nov 2017, 17:30

Basically, you can two ways now :-)

1. continue with the other 3 separate novels that are set in the same world that the First Law trilogy is set in: Best Served Cold, The Heroes, Red Country. I enjoyed all of them and you can (I believe) read them in any order.

2. start with the unrelated Shattered Sea trilogy.

I pursued the #1 route, but in the end, it's all good fun :-)

And here's what the SFF Chronicles Website had to say about it (https://www.sffchronicles.com/threads/552524/):

Now, for the First Law books, it's best to start with the First Law trilogy itself - this will form a whole series of references picked up in the standalone novels, even though the main characters may differ. However, the First Law standalone novels can offer a good taster for someone looking to sample Abercrombie's epic fantasy, without investing in a full epic trilogy.

Best Served Cold is brutal revenge thriller that I'd personally recommend as the best standalone to pick up - it offers a good taster for Abercrombie's character-building and pacing.

If you're feeling strong-hearted then The Heroes is another strong story when it comes to character and pacing, but it's focus on being a war/anti-war novel might not have such wide appeal.

Red Country is best not read unless you're familiar with both the original First Law trilogy and Best Served Cold, as it concludes character arcs originally set up in these.

The Shattered Sea trilogy has nothing to do with any of the First Law world books, instead targeted specifically at the Young Adult fiction market, rather than mature fantasy readers. Personally I've really enjoyed it so far, but some Abercrombie fans find these a bit too light by comparison to the First Law books.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Windavell » 27 Nov 2017, 17:37

As I've read the First Law I prefer the order which helps follow along characters I already know. from what you've written Im not sure which I should get next, Best Served Cold?
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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 27 Nov 2017, 19:31

Several forums and apparently the author himself recommend: Best Served Cold -> The Heroes -> Red Country (and I think that is also the publishing order...)
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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 03 Apr 2018, 13:18

After 2,5 books into the "The lives of Tao" series (Wesley Chu): pretty enjoyable stuff. Not top-notch, but good enough to keep reading... 7/10
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Re: Book Club

Postby Windavell » 03 Apr 2018, 14:07

Im currently reading the Mistborn series
https://www.goodreads.com/series/40910-mistborn
by Brian Sanderson. On the whole I dont really like the "magic" part, I do like magic but not how they get it in this series, but Im finding the first book very gripping. Read for 3-4 hours on Friday night without realising. Its good stuff.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 03 Apr 2018, 14:39

Read the first 3 as a trilogy, found it enjoyable ... and stopped after that. Not really sure why, but somehow I just couldn't bring myself to buying the rest.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Holston » 05 Sep 2018, 10:44

Mistborn trilogy is amazing. I've read it last year. Right now I'm on the first book of The Blade Itself trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. It's shaping up to be a great one also.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 05 Sep 2018, 14:38

You won't be disappointed...in fact, you'll be going back to the book shop for more :-)
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Re: Book Club

Postby Florentia » 05 Oct 2018, 13:15

Potentially the wrong audience here, but anyone else read the Trainspotting trio of books - Skagboys, Trainspotting and Porno? Skagboys and Porno being the prequel and sequel to Trainspotting which Irvine Welsh wrote first.

I've read them all twice, well, on my second read of Porno at the moment. My brother convinced me to read them, and I'm glad I did. They've had me creased with laughter many times, particularly the insights into the absolutely sociopathic mind of Begbie, ho-lee-sheet. But then there's the complete relatability of Renton, especially in Skagboys where he just becomes so disillusioned and well, chooses not to choose life, but something else instead. Just great insights into the personalities Irvine Welsh created, there are aspects of them all I can relate to (besides Franco lol) and the moments of hilarity are everywhere, juxtaposed with the absolute grimness of growing up and living on a 'scheme' in Leith in the 70's/80's and their spiral into drug use and all the mental characters along the way.

If you enjoyed the movies you should read the books, 100% more awesome. The second movie really deviated from Porno though in a lot of ways, but I can see it would have been hard to make a film about someone making a porn film (Sickboy) with some of the grimmest characters imaginable and manage to get it into the cinemas. Its laden with pretty brutal filth lol

Oh, they're also written pretty heavily in Scottish dialect/slang, but if you're somewhat familiar with it or an awesome Geordie like me, you'll have nae issues ;)
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Re: Book Club

Postby Florentia » 05 Oct 2018, 15:04

ps. Posting the buiriful Choose Life monologues from both movies, because I inspired myself to re-read them with my own post lol

The one in the second movie is not actually in the book Porno. The first one is in the Trainspotting book though, I think its actually slightly longer.

Trainspotting:
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Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked-up brats you have spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life . . . But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?


From T2 movie. Depressingly reflective of life in today's society yo
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Veronika: What's 'Choose life'?

Renton: What?

Veronika: 'Choose life'. Simon says it sometimes. He says "Choose life, Veronika!"

Renton: 'Choose life'. 'Choose life' was a well meaning slogan from a 1980's anti-drug campaign and we used to add things to it, so I might say for example, choose... designer lingerie, in the vain hope of kicking some life back into a dead relationship. Choose handbags, choose high-heeled shoes, cashmere and silk, to make yourself feel what passes for happy. Choose an iPhone made in China by a woman who jumped out of a window and stick it in the pocket of your jacket fresh from a South-Asian Firetrap. Choose Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram and a thousand others ways to spew your bile across people you've never met. Choose updating your profile, tell the world what you had for breakfast and hope that someone, somewhere cares. Choose looking up old flames, desperate to believe that you don't look as bad as they do. Choose live-blogging, from your first wank 'til your last breath; human interaction reduced to nothing more than data. Choose ten things you never knew about celebrities who've had surgery. Choose screaming about abortion. Choose rape jokes, slut-shaming, revenge porn and an endless tide of depressing misogyny. Choose 9/11 never happened, and if it did, it was the Jews. Choose a zero-hour contract and a two-hour journey to work. And choose the same for your kids, only worse, and maybe tell yourself that it's better that they never happened. And then sit back and smother the pain with an unknown dose of an unknown drug made in somebody's fucking kitchen. Choose unfulfilled promise and wishing you'd done it all differently. Choose never learning from your own mistakes. Choose watching history repeat itself. Choose the slow reconciliation towards what you can get, rather than what you always hoped for. Settle for less and keep a brave face on it. Choose disappointment and choose losing the ones you love, then as they fall from view, a piece of you dies with them until you can see that one day in the future, piece by piece, they will all be gone and there'll be nothing left of you to call alive or dead. Choose your future, Veronika. Choose life.


More book quotes here if you're so inclined: https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1087421-trainspotting

Am I the only person here who prefers to read books that reflect real life and not fantasy? I just can't get into glorious winged unicorns. Shit needs to be dire or its no dice :nice:
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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 05 Oct 2018, 15:35

Don't start messing with the unicorns, now! :no: :D

Best fictional, non-fantasy book I read in the last couple of years: A gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles. You immerse yourself in the world of a Russian aristocrat after the revolution, who is incarcerated in the hotel where he was staying at the time. Highly recommended for anyone who enjoys the gentle pace and wisdom of the Russian literary tradition, but with a slightly more contemporary twist.
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Re: Book Club

Postby Florentia » 05 Oct 2018, 15:37

Also, if there are any fans of the more gritty stuff here, then I'd also sincerely recommend Chuck Palahniuk of Fight Club fame. The Fight Club book is great, but my favourite of his is probably Choke followed by Invisible Monsters.

You can read a short story of his which was published in Playboy I believe, always a classy rag, right here on his website: https://chuckpalahniuk.net/features/shorts/guts. When reading this story to people on tour, audience members actually fainted. Its bretty gud
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Re: Book Club

Postby Florentia » 05 Oct 2018, 15:39

I've tried many times to go the unicorn route, my man!! I just can't get into it :shrug:
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Re: Book Club

Postby Kaøs » 05 Oct 2018, 16:09

Should you ever re-try (just because we told you so :D ): take a look at Joe Abercrombie's stuff. Start with the First Law trilogy. I promise that there will be no unicorns, dragons or other fairy-shizzle. Also no elaborate magic systems etc. Pretty gritty at times, but not as much as you are apparently accustomed to, I guess. You can also ask Wind: he's read a number of them...
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Re: Book Club

Postby Florentia » 05 Oct 2018, 16:19

...Maaaaybe. But I couldn't even read The Hobbit!
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